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ronan

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Re: Anarchist Survey Results
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2010, 02:03:16 PM »
well there were no potentially incriminating questions in the survey. How many illegal acts have you committed in the last year? for example. Anyone who can work out who someone is based on the questions there were will probably know that person well enough that they will not be surprised by any of the other questions.

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2010, 02:13:26 PM »
I don't know...what do the rest of you think?

What Ronan said + Leave question number 30 out ("If you'd like, tell us which" [organization]). Then it'll be more or less impossible to reason who the respondent is. In your example, there could for instance be white, female,  36 year old, bisexual, platformists out there, right? Even though perhaps there are not that many in NEFAC. ;)

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2010, 05:04:45 PM »
Yeah, perhaps if you took the organizational affiliations out. Otherwise, I would have to agree that the survey info isn't exactly anonymous. And people taking the survey probably did not expect to be recognized, as they very well might be if the individual data was made public.

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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2010, 05:59:42 PM »
I don't know...what do the rest of you think?

What Ronan said + Leave question number 30 out ("If you'd like, tell us which" [organization]). Then it'll be more or less impossible to reason who the respondent is. In your example, there could for instance be a lot of white, female,  36 year old, bisexual, platformists out there, right? Even though perhaps there are not that many in NEFAC. ;)

EDIT: Edited in a couple of missing word ("a lot").

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 03:11:17 AM »
Wait wait, where are all these 30-something bisexual lady platformists?  8)

I am not quite positive that simply removing organizational affiliation is enough to guarantee anonymity, I need to go over the questions and everything again. Because honestly, there aren't many 29 year old North American queer femme intersectional anarchist communists, or whatever I described myself as. Not that I'm personally worried about being what I wrote being public, but just as a reminder that it really is kind of a small world.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2010, 07:15:24 PM »
Wait wait, where are all these 30-something bisexual lady platformists?
I believe it's a NEFAC stereotype.

I think that with location, organization and some other factors it might be a bit to easy to pinpoint individuals; particularly say if your were a governmental agency that was interested in getting to know individual anarchists very well, say kept a file on them, etc... 

Sure, those of us who post all kinds of crap publicly on our facebook aren't so concerned; but some folks might be.

If we ever want to do such a survey again, I think the manner Steffi and Aragorn are handling it is fine.  If there are correlations we want to see, we can ask them to do the crunching.  There are some I might be asking for in regards to North American regroupment, but they've already provided alot of food for thought.

It might not matter so much if there were alot more anarchists than there are.  We all know there is more than 2500 even in Anglophone North Atlantic.   But still...  many of those who took the anonymous survey are some of the folks most plugged in to our milieu.

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Re: Anarchist Survey Results
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2010, 09:17:35 PM »
For example, how many white, female, 36 year old, bisexual, pescetarian NEFAC members would there be?

I'm only 27!!  >:(

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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2010, 08:21:59 PM »
Ooooooh, statistical disclosure. Minefield!  :P Since it's a small sample there's not much can be done without losing all the interesting bits. (Like where to meet 20-some... yeah we've been there)

Given that its impossible to re-consent survey participants, all we can go on is how it was presented to folk. If S &A think there's a problem with access to data, that's fine by me.

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2010, 08:48:24 AM »
Really fascinating results guys: thanks for that!

My favourite was the answers to "Why do you belong to this class?"

I especially like the person who misunderstood the question and put: "Because of bad  mistakes in my life"

If I ever find you, my hapless poverty striken comrade, I will buy you a drink  ;)

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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2010, 08:51:43 AM »
Ah: Just noticed someone else put: "I am lazy" Excellent answer and honest too.

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2010, 04:38:00 PM »
thanks for all the work! couple of tidbits, I'm annoyed so few people think insurrectionism is a threat to anarchism. top of my list!

also I feel vindicated in seeing NGO workers over-represented. I thought the bit on how people came to anarchism was interesting. I would have thought basically just punk, internet, and college but it was somewhat different.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2010, 07:33:50 AM »
Here's some comments on the survey results from a Common Cause member in Toronto.

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Greetings:

I posted the comments below on Facebook to the release of a demographic survey of anarchists. A comrade highlighted the fact that anarchists in North America and Europe are largely white and over 40% hold university degrees.

Actual comment from the comrade on FB:
88.5% of respondents were white. Why is that? Why is anarchism in North America and Europe so white? 48% of people who completed the survey were white straight men between the ages of 16 and 45.

To the people who identified themselves as "anarcho-capitalists," I have bad news: there is no such thing.
General US: 52% college or more
Anarchists: 61.4% college or more

General US: 24% have a university degree
Anarchists: 43.6% have a university degree

My comments:

It is certainly a concern for anarchists that our movement is largely white and draws members largely from university-educated people. When we look at the latter feature that development is really regrettable when we consider the fact that ...19th and early 20th century anarchism attracted members of the industrial proletariat, craft workers, the Makhnovist peasant formation in the Ukraine and anarchist ideas had appeal to peasants in parts of the Spanish countryside. Put today, we are largely appealing to radical intellectuals, artists, youth alienated from from home and society and members of the working-class who are not necessarily the most alienated of workers.

I would suggest that the appeal of anarchism to university-educated people may come from the fact that they have the time, space and resources to explore the the farce and repressive nature of the ideals of bourgeois society. Many many have gone into the world of work armed with credentials and found work to be a very alienating experience.

During the current academic year, I had the opportunity, as a teaching assistant, to work with teachers who were pursuing studies toward a Masters degree. I remarked to the class on reading their journals about the lack of control over their worklife that some of the features that they highlighted are substantively in sync with Marx's comments on the elements that are a part his labour alienation concept. Yet many of these teachers, as professional workers, would identify themselves as members of the middle-class...false consciousness here?

I singled out that experience so as to point to the possibility that people with the opportunity to explore worklife in professional and managerial roles as well as within the ranks of privileged white collar workers, may be better situated to see and know the illusion of seeking freedom within the norms of current society. It is not unusual to have kins of those of us from the working-class remarking how they would be able to advance their material life in society, if they had the credentials come graduate degrees.

But the people with these degrees know that is not necessarily the case. Please bring out the precarious academic workers with advanced degrees and lack of job security as Exhibit "A" for the position that capitalism has reduced or is reducing many of them to the status of academic or white collar proletariats.

But, the above state of affairs (if it is a plausible part of the explanation for the subject under discussion) does not absolve anarchists of the responsibility of carrying political education within the labour movement and the wider society on our vision and practice of the good and just society. Of equal importance is the necessity of working with the working-class in their present organizational formations and through work and struggle introduce anarchist ideas and practices in these spaces. Anarchism, especially its anarchist communist expression, must become a mass movement, if it is going to be relevant to 21st century life.

On the question of race, White anarchists must demonstrate through action that they are committed in thought and practice to the elimination of white supremacy from organizations and all areas of society. Talking is not enough. We must act.

In solidarity,
Ajamu Nangwaya

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Re: Anarchist Survey Results
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2010, 03:46:20 PM »
Really fascinating results guys: thanks for that!

My favourite was the answers to "Why do you belong to this class?"

I especially like the person who misunderstood the question and put: "Because of bad  mistakes in my life"

If I ever find you, my hapless poverty striken comrade, I will buy you a drink  ;)

Meh, I am pretty sure that was me.

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2010, 04:17:31 PM »
Fair enough Dawood,

Whats your poison?  :)

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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2010, 10:21:32 PM »
Here's some comments on the survey results from a Common Cause member in Toronto.

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Actual comment from the comrade on FB:
88.5% of respondents were white. Why is that? Why is anarchism in North America and Europe so white? 48% of people who completed the survey were white straight men between the ages of 16 and 45.



On the question of race, White anarchists must demonstrate through action that they are committed in thought and practice to the elimination of white supremacy from organizations and all areas of society. Talking is not enough. We must act.


I'm not actually concerned with the white part as much as I am with the man part or the straight part.
I think it has a lot to do with culture, and history. when it comes to the ethnic/racial question.

Anarchism is simply not the dominant radical current historically amongst Indigenous peoples or black people in North America, for instance. Marxism has been huge for the black community, so has black nationalism. These histories re-enforce the present, though I think anarchism has made inroads. For indigenous peoples, often they are basing their resistance on their own culture, which is independent of european-derived political philosophies. In other words, their culture has resistance traditions able to mobilize effectively that make anarchism unnecessary or not the go to philosophy or program.

In the white community there is abundant disallusionment with marxism and capitalism which combines with a history of anarchism especially in Europe which gives us a cultural archive to work with.

Things are different in Latin America, where Indigeneity was silence for a long time and marxism and anarchism were predominant. Currently in many cases anarchism and marxism have merged with a resurgent indigenous identity to produce a hybrid resistance theory/identity (think zapatistas).

What I'm trying to get to is that ethnic culture and history play majorly into identifiying with these political labels and whether they present viable alternatives when given the choice.

I think one of the biggest accomplishments anarchists of the communist/paltformist/syndicalists ilk can make is learning to make permanent alliances with parallel forces across cultural lines, even if there is significant ideological differentiation. So learning to see permanent allies in Indigenous resisters and creating a world that is equally anarchist and indigenous in scope.

What matters is the world changing for the better, not the label we wear in doing it.