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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2012, 12:11:25 AM »
I was being provocative a bit, but like the CNT says we should at least say things are another form of unionism, just like we'd say our specific groups are another form of political organization. At the end of the day though I'm a union organizer and syndicalist.

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2012, 12:21:12 AM »
I was being provocative a bit, but like the CNT says we should at least say things are another form of unionism, just like we'd say our specific groups are another form of political organization. At the end of the day though I'm a union organizer and syndicalist.

I knew you were, with the bit about unionism.

That said, is there a line between being a union organizer and a syndicalist (syndicalist used in the way the Swedes do to mean revolutionary unionist)? ;) 8) :-*

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2012, 06:30:01 AM »
yes i think so, actually. i definitely prefer being a syndicalist like you syndicalist than just a plain old unionist! :P

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2012, 09:00:24 AM »
I am also surprised that no one seems to want to defend, or refute, from a fundamental point of view, the idea of “party” being adopted by anarchists.

I could defend the use of the word party (I think I have better argument than "malatesta has used it"), but I don't think it's the good place here for that. this topic is supposed to be about LAC. should we open a new thread or are people fed up with this issue?

edit: I have open a thread to discuss the issue on the word "party": http://www.anarchistblackcat.org/index.php/topic,9983.0.html
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 12:21:46 PM by el topo »

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2012, 04:28:49 PM »
yes i think so, actually. i definitely prefer being a syndicalist like you syndicalist than just a plain old unionist! :P

SYNDICALIST MILITANTS FTW!

FTW, for the win, right? Isn't it kinda a saccastic term? But we're for the win, right? The new world in our hearts and all.

Anyway, I've been both a unionist and a syndicalist....and sometimes they don't always match up.

Well, FANWIOH! ;)

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2012, 06:52:28 PM »
Totally not sarcastic, for the win, for the works, etc

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2012, 05:44:15 AM »
we should speak in a 21st century libertarian language.

There's not one agreed on left libertarian vocabulary. I'm not sure that libertarian is all that helpful of a term either, as for most people it means what we would call right-wing libertarians. Most words these days are messy and contested. Like seriously, I can't think of any political words right now that don't involve competing and often contradictory meanings (union, anarchist, communist, socialist, libertarian, there's more I'm sure). Most political words are the subject of conflict, for one thing, and for another, our milieus are really small and fragmented so there's not any single large social group that uses words that can serve as an anchor for us. The most dominant uses of political words are ones we probly reject anyway.

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Re: Linea Anarco Comunista Argentina
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2012, 03:47:54 PM »
we should speak in a 21st century libertarian language.

There's not one agreed on left libertarian vocabulary. I'm not sure that libertarian is all that helpful of a term either, as for most people it means what we would call right-wing libertarians. Most words these days are messy and contested. Like seriously, I can't think of any political words right now that don't involve competing and often contradictory meanings (union, anarchist, communist, socialist, libertarian, there's more I'm sure). Most political words are the subject of conflict, for one thing, and for another, our milieus are really small and fragmented so there's not any single large social group that uses words that can serve as an anchor for us. The most dominant uses of political words are ones we probly reject anyway.

Nate, I guess I would srta divide this initially in two parts: Part A - Internal consumption. Part B - External.

In regards to Internal,  more often then not --- tho not always --- we tend to get what and where someone is coming from. On these lists (and elsewhere) I use the term libertarian. With the internal understanding that it covers the libertarian left perspectives.

External, I would never use the term "party" to describe any form of libertarian organization, period. And, for that matter, I would never use it internally.